Have you ever overheard a couple arguing next to you at a restaurant? Eavesdropping on a dramatic conversation between two people in a relationship is one of the best things about dining out (only slightly behind eating and drinking). And while there are no unhinged screaming matches on the Two Beers In podcast -- hosted by married couple Charlie Todd and Cody Lindquist -- it’s still super entertaining to listen in on.
The podcast, which they describe as a “tipsy political roundtable,” has a fun, simple concept: once a month or so, Todd and Lindquist go on a stage at the UCB Theater in New York City and chat with journalists, comedians, and politicos about what’s happening in the world. But first, they all drink two beers. It’s way more fun than listening to people talk about politics has any right to be!
We spoke to the two longtime New York comedians over the phone about all things beer, politics, and marriage.
Origins of the Podcast
“[The podcast] started because Charlie and I love beer and politics, and we were having these conversations with our friends, many of whom are political comedians in New York City,” explains Lindquist. “And we thought, why don’t we record them?” Their comic friends are people you’ll either recognize from TV programs like The President Show (Anthony Atamanuik, who plays Trump, is a frequent guest) or work behind the scenes of shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert or Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. They’re also journalists, like Katy Tur from MSNBC and Shawna Thomas from Vice News. And everyone is two beers in. “We’re just tipsy enough to break down walls and tell the truth about stuff,” says Lindquist.
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Of course, we had to ask about the two beers they drink before the show...and then continue to drink throughout. Typically, it’s Bronx Brewery’s Slow Your Roll session IPA (Bronx sponsors all the podcasts on the UCB Comedy network), and it plays just as big a role on the pod as the conversation does, much like how beer acts as a social lubricant in taprooms across the country. But sometimes the best beer is also the freest one. “[Drinking Slow Your Roll] was particularly a no-brainer for us because we consume a lot of beer on the show,” says Todd. “And it’s nice that we don’t have to pay for it.”
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They also like to entertain with beer in their private lives. “When we have parties, people bring over beer,” Lindquist says. It’s not always of the highest quality. “We have a drawer full of [less expensive beer] that we give to friends who don’t care about drinking it.” But then there’s the secret stash. “We also have a You Cannot Touch This Drawer [for friends who are visiting].”
Friends are one thing, but obviously good beer comes first. And since NYC is a hotbed of amazing breweries these days, they’ve got their favorites.
“There’s this newer wave of great, local breweries doing the ridiculously hopped IPAs and DIPAs like LIC Beer Project, KCBC, and Interboro,” Todd says. “Every couple months, there’s a new brewery in New York putting out 16-ounce cans or showing up on tap at great bars. They’re all doing that [hazy/New England-style IPA], but I’m not bored of it yet. They’re always great.”
While it may seem that drinking and talking about politics with your significant other can be a potential recipe for disaster, it actually offers some surprising lessons that even couples who don’t have political podcasts together (most Americans, according to our estimates) can learn from! “One of the biggest things I’m trying to do is listen,” says Lindquist. “That’s one thing about a podcast -- if the podcast is [going to be] good, you’ll speak your opinion, but you also have to listen to other people. That’s also a good marriage skill: to learn how to listen.”
Lindquist even admits that she often talks over her husband during the shows, something she learned when they listen back to the pod. “I’ve listened to many episodes and thought, did I let Charlie speak at all?” she says. “And it just shows you how he’s a wonderful husband, because he lets me talk over him all the time.”
Because I have journalistic standards to uphold, I must note that Lindquist did talk over Todd a few times during this interview. Don’t worry, though -- they seem to get along swimmingly, both on the podcast and in real life. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have arguments.
“The problem is that I have the burden of always being right,” explains Todd in an extremely dry manner. “It’s frustrating because I’m right about 98% of the time, so that I come across as having won the arguments. It’s challenging.” Lindquist does not deny this. “Charlie has to win every single argument. It’s what I married, and I’m dealing with it,” she says.
In fact, the couple has been married for six years, and together for almost 10. Since they’ve happily endured one another for so long, we asked them for some marriage advice.
“I think letting the other person make mistakes is a really big thing,” Lindquist says. “Maybe that’s more applicable to when you’re raising a child. But also, not trying to dictate what the other person does all the time -- letting them figure it out. Spending quality time together but also being okay apart is important. As I said, he’s the one who always has to be right, so I’m working every day to make our marriage work. And realizing you can’t change anybody: love the least favorite part of your partner as much as you love your favorite part of them.”
But while the couple might have spirited conversation on their tipsy political roundtable podcast (and everyday-type couple squabbles off the air), they agree with one another on the one topic that truly matters.
“We pretty much like the same types of beer,” says Todd.